Comments on: The Cocoa Cooking Class http://cimota.com/blog/2009/05/11/the-cocoa-cooking-class/ Matt Johnston's Blog About Tech, Innovation, Startups, Opportunity ... and Sailing Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:54:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Ian Sayers http://cimota.com/blog/2009/05/11/the-cocoa-cooking-class/comment-page-1/#comment-36196 Ian Sayers Tue, 12 May 2009 16:37:42 +0000 http://cimota.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-36196 I think the idea of this being "private" as opposed to Educational is fine. As long as we close each group off into a class so that people cant come and go. If you book into the session you should be committed to stay for the full term and we should agree a time period. This way the course stays on focus and we keep the momentum going forward I think the idea of this being “private” as opposed to Educational is fine. As long as we close each group off into a class so that people cant come and go. If you book into the session you should be committed to stay for the full term and we should agree a time period. This way the course stays on focus and we keep the momentum going forward

]]> By: mj http://cimota.com/blog/2009/05/11/the-cocoa-cooking-class/comment-page-1/#comment-36195 mj Tue, 12 May 2009 16:27:37 +0000 http://cimota.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-36195 @Michael - there are plans afoot for a CompSci course on Mobile Development in one of the unversities. End of the day they have to pick 'a' platform and only one of them has significant market share at the moment. The course will be aimed at beginners. I've begun scoping out some ideas. There's also going to be caveats regarding people making sure they are signed up to ADC beforehand. And if they want to do on-device development they will a) need to bring their own Mac b) have their own iPod touch or iPhone c) have their own deployment certificate Otherwise it's going to be simulator only! A University Course would be great - I'd love to have the time/money to attend one - more for the actual 'learning HOW' to program rather than being taught a bit of code on one platform. Anyway - bigger plans afoot and I need to focus on WWDC. @Michael – there are plans afoot for a CompSci course on Mobile Development in one of the unversities. End of the day they have to pick ‘a’ platform and only one of them has significant market share at the moment.

The course will be aimed at beginners. I’ve begun scoping out some ideas. There’s also going to be caveats regarding people making sure they are signed up to ADC beforehand. And if they want to do on-device development they will
a) need to bring their own Mac
b) have their own iPod touch or iPhone
c) have their own deployment certificate
Otherwise it’s going to be simulator only!

A University Course would be great – I’d love to have the time/money to attend one – more for the actual ‘learning HOW’ to program rather than being taught a bit of code on one platform.

Anyway – bigger plans afoot and I need to focus on WWDC.

]]> By: Michael Martin http://cimota.com/blog/2009/05/11/the-cocoa-cooking-class/comment-page-1/#comment-36192 Michael Martin Tue, 12 May 2009 15:43:58 +0000 http://cimota.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-36192 I think it's a fantastic idea. I'd love to join in, though I'm not sure I'd have enough experience either (Just completed 1st year Computer Science at Queens so some level of Java is really the height of my programming knowledge so far :( ). Would work my ass off to learn though if that helps! :D About getting a course like this into the universities; I'm happy to help out there if that ever does move forward because I can get in touch with any of the computing lecturers at Queens at least. But I agree with mj's last comment, a private service might work better because it would probably be more willing to just run with things and adjust and adapt as needed. A university course would be more rigid, which isn't great a new idea like this. :( I think it’s a fantastic idea. I’d love to join in, though I’m not sure I’d have enough experience either (Just completed 1st year Computer Science at Queens so some level of Java is really the height of my programming knowledge so far :( ). Would work my ass off to learn though if that helps! :D

About getting a course like this into the universities; I’m happy to help out there if that ever does move forward because I can get in touch with any of the computing lecturers at Queens at least. But I agree with mj’s last comment, a private service might work better because it would probably be more willing to just run with things and adjust and adapt as needed. A university course would be more rigid, which isn’t great a new idea like this. :(

]]> By: mj http://cimota.com/blog/2009/05/11/the-cocoa-cooking-class/comment-page-1/#comment-36178 mj Tue, 12 May 2009 10:29:59 +0000 http://cimota.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-36178 @Marty - I think your latter idea of the class being 'hired' to work on ideas is pretty smart - though would require some risk management and planning. That in itself is an important part of the development process. Academia can offer this sort of thing but, as is typical, private services can move quicker and are not subject to the rigors required of changing an academic plan. End of the day, this is a 'vocational' rather than 'educational' initiative which might reap benefits for some. @Marty – I think your latter idea of the class being ‘hired’ to work on ideas is pretty smart – though would require some risk management and planning. That in itself is an important part of the development process.

Academia can offer this sort of thing but, as is typical, private services can move quicker and are not subject to the rigors required of changing an academic plan. End of the day, this is a ‘vocational’ rather than ‘educational’ initiative which might reap benefits for some.

]]> By: Marty Neill http://cimota.com/blog/2009/05/11/the-cocoa-cooking-class/comment-page-1/#comment-36176 Marty Neill Tue, 12 May 2009 10:23:27 +0000 http://cimota.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-36176 A superb idea again Matt and we would also offer space in our new office when this gets up and running, again for free if it's needed. This is the sort of thing you'd love academia to be able to offer, progressive, forward looking but realistically it's up to the developer community to forge its own path. One thought would be that businesses needing iPhone apps could develop a spec and hire the class for whatever fees incurred in holding it whereby making it free to learn? And then commercial apps come out the other end with perhaps an agreed percentage paid back into the class to help it self sustain? A superb idea again Matt and we would also offer space in our new office when this gets up and running, again for free if it’s needed.

This is the sort of thing you’d love academia to be able to offer, progressive, forward looking but realistically it’s up to the developer community to forge its own path.

One thought would be that businesses needing iPhone apps could develop a spec and hire the class for whatever fees incurred in holding it whereby making it free to learn? And then commercial apps come out the other end with perhaps an agreed percentage paid back into the class to help it self sustain?

]]> By: mj http://cimota.com/blog/2009/05/11/the-cocoa-cooking-class/comment-page-1/#comment-36145 mj Mon, 11 May 2009 22:38:02 +0000 http://cimota.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-36145 Everyone is clear that it would be £20 each per week, yeah? Everyone is clear that it would be £20 each per week, yeah?

]]> By: Christian McGilloway http://cimota.com/blog/2009/05/11/the-cocoa-cooking-class/comment-page-1/#comment-36144 Christian McGilloway Mon, 11 May 2009 22:35:48 +0000 http://cimota.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-36144 This looks like something great!! where do I sign up?! You know you could fill this 4 or 5 times over!! 20 spot is nothing for it either! are you thinking about building quite a few small apps over the course of a few weeks or work on one larger project? This looks like something great!! where do I sign up?!
You know you could fill this 4 or 5 times over!! 20 spot is nothing for it either!

are you thinking about building quite a few small apps over the course of a few weeks or work on one larger project?

]]> By: Ian Sayers http://cimota.com/blog/2009/05/11/the-cocoa-cooking-class/comment-page-1/#comment-36143 Ian Sayers Mon, 11 May 2009 22:28:57 +0000 http://cimota.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-36143 I think this is one of the best ideas this year (so far). For a while i have been on the fence with programming for the iphone - will I spend the time (which is non existent) learning "How To programme" or will I just bring someone in and pay them to develop for me and get the job done. If I pay someone then I will never get round to learning this technology and we run the risk of students and programmers being left behind in industry. Mostly I think we should encourage and offer this program to as many people as possible - i agree the initial classes should be limited to "test" how it is going to work and build a course outlines with the correct objectives, time to develop and brainstorm, group work etc. On a whole, the concept is great. Develop a class to TEACH iPhone development so that the younger generation (as well as me) can start now to develop and build the Apps of tomorrow. There is a lot of really good programmers out there just waiting to be nudged in the right direction. This course sounds like the right one and at the right time, with iPhone 3.0 around the corner. One thing we could do with this course (once it is up and running) is to look at talking to the universities to offer it as part of some courses. I know we need one step at a time but as we end a Uni year and plan it over the summer months with a practise class we could be up and running for September with a full of Course developed and "approved" to be run in other centres and locations. If you need a room - Giant Assocates kindly offers our Training Room in Chlorine Gardens for FREE. Count me in Please ! (complete beginner - but fast learner) I think this is one of the best ideas this year (so far). For a while i have been on the fence with programming for the iphone – will I spend the time (which is non existent) learning “How To programme” or will I just bring someone in and pay them to develop for me and get the job done.

If I pay someone then I will never get round to learning this technology and we run the risk of students and programmers being left behind in industry.

Mostly I think we should encourage and offer this program to as many people as possible – i agree the initial classes should be limited to “test” how it is going to work and build a course outlines with the correct objectives, time to develop and brainstorm, group work etc.

On a whole, the concept is great.

Develop a class to TEACH iPhone development so that the younger generation (as well as me) can start now to develop and build the Apps of tomorrow.

There is a lot of really good programmers out there just waiting to be nudged in the right direction. This course sounds like the right one and at the right time, with iPhone 3.0 around the corner.

One thing we could do with this course (once it is up and running) is to look at talking to the universities to offer it as part of some courses. I know we need one step at a time but as we end a Uni year and plan it over the summer months with a practise class we could be up and running for September with a full of Course developed and “approved” to be run in other centres and locations.

If you need a room – Giant Assocates kindly offers our Training Room in Chlorine Gardens for FREE.

Count me in Please !
(complete beginner – but fast learner)

]]> By: Danny Turley http://cimota.com/blog/2009/05/11/the-cocoa-cooking-class/comment-page-1/#comment-36140 Danny Turley Mon, 11 May 2009 21:41:13 +0000 http://cimota.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-36140 This sounds like a great idea, and I am really interested in taking part. This sounds like a great idea, and I am really interested in taking part.

]]> By: Rick Johnston http://cimota.com/blog/2009/05/11/the-cocoa-cooking-class/comment-page-1/#comment-36139 Rick Johnston Mon, 11 May 2009 21:30:43 +0000 http://cimota.com/blog/?p=1831#comment-36139 Very interested. Complete novice.. have attempted to begin teaching myself but something like this would be great. Wouldn't want to be a drag on more skilled types though! Very interested. Complete novice.. have attempted to begin teaching myself but something like this would be great. Wouldn’t want to be a drag on more skilled types though!

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