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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://cimota.com/blog/2008/06/30/co-working-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-22831</link>
		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Eoghan - experience is valued!</description>
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		<title>By: Eoghan McCabe</title>
		<link>http://cimota.com/blog/2008/06/30/co-working-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-22827</link>
		<dc:creator>Eoghan McCabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my experience with CoWorking Dublin, which is nothing close to that ultimate vision of what CoWorking could be, I can tell you now that keeping a place such as that described above running as a part-time job will be a serious challenge. Basic admin takes lots of time. There are so many small, distracting, time-wasting, monotonous tasks required that would cripple someone that can&#039;t dedicate their full working day to the job.

Having said that, I wouldn&#039;t discourage anyone from giving it a good shot and getting help with the administration as you scale the initiative. Best of luck to Andy and anyone else trying to get CoWorking Belfast going. I thoroughly recommend you pester Paul Campbell (http://www.pabcas.com/) for ideas and feedback on anything you do with it; he knows CoWorking better than anyone else on the island and has worked in a few of the original spots like Citizen Space and set up CoWorking Dublin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my experience with CoWorking Dublin, which is nothing close to that ultimate vision of what CoWorking could be, I can tell you now that keeping a place such as that described above running as a part-time job will be a serious challenge. Basic admin takes lots of time. There are so many small, distracting, time-wasting, monotonous tasks required that would cripple someone that can&#8217;t dedicate their full working day to the job.</p>
<p>Having said that, I wouldn&#8217;t discourage anyone from giving it a good shot and getting help with the administration as you scale the initiative. Best of luck to Andy and anyone else trying to get CoWorking Belfast going. I thoroughly recommend you pester Paul Campbell (<a href="http://www.pabcas.com/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.pabcas.com');">http://www.pabcas.com/</a>) for ideas and feedback on anything you do with it; he knows CoWorking better than anyone else on the island and has worked in a few of the original spots like Citizen Space and set up CoWorking Dublin.</p>
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		<title>By: Coworking Ireland &#187; Cork&#8217;s fresh push on bedouin working</title>
		<link>http://cimota.com/blog/2008/06/30/co-working-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-22803</link>
		<dc:creator>Coworking Ireland &#187; Cork&#8217;s fresh push on bedouin working</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Matt Johnston in Belfast sounds a cautionary note though, with facts and figures to suggest that the running of a coworking facility needs to be a full-time job. Great comments to that post too. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Matt Johnston in Belfast sounds a cautionary note though, with facts and figures to suggest that the running of a coworking facility needs to be a full-time job. Great comments to that post too. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://cimota.com/blog/2008/06/30/co-working-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-22765</link>
		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hold on there, Tiger. That sounds like it might be a plan. Something might get achieved?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold on there, Tiger. That sounds like it might be a plan. Something might get achieved?????</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://cimota.com/blog/2008/06/30/co-working-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-22764</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about an unoffical cluster at OpenCoffee on Thursday to discuss? I try to get the &quot;cluster of similarly named people&quot; together via email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about an unoffical cluster at OpenCoffee on Thursday to discuss? I try to get the &#8220;cluster of similarly named people&#8221; together via email.</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://cimota.com/blog/2008/06/30/co-working-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-22757</link>
		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the first step for establishing a basis for a co-working facility was checking out other co-working facilities and serviced offices - even pulling down the Regis annual reports made for some interesting reading. 

Regis is still moving towards a more open facility with their &#039;card&#039; based service and expanding hot desking - in effect making their office more virtual - the costs are pretty in extremis (as you&#039;d expect).

I  think a co-working facility can be run as a non-profit, but there need to be salaried staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the first step for establishing a basis for a co-working facility was checking out other co-working facilities and serviced offices &#8211; even pulling down the Regis annual reports made for some interesting reading. </p>
<p>Regis is still moving towards a more open facility with their &#8216;card&#8217; based service and expanding hot desking &#8211; in effect making their office more virtual &#8211; the costs are pretty in extremis (as you&#8217;d expect).</p>
<p>I  think a co-working facility can be run as a non-profit, but there need to be salaried staff.</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan</title>
		<link>http://cimota.com/blog/2008/06/30/co-working-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-22756</link>
		<dc:creator>Aidan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mj: you missed my point.  The business model for the two is quite close, regardless of what they are trying to accomplish.  I totally understand the differences between the two.

I was just trying to show that places like Regis make money using a bunch of techniques, many of which would still be applicable to the co-working place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mj: you missed my point.  The business model for the two is quite close, regardless of what they are trying to accomplish.  I totally understand the differences between the two.</p>
<p>I was just trying to show that places like Regis make money using a bunch of techniques, many of which would still be applicable to the co-working place.</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://cimota.com/blog/2008/06/30/co-working-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-22755</link>
		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more on the difference: &lt;a href=&quot;http://eirepreneur.blogs.com/eirepreneur/2006/12/hotdesking_noma.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;see here&lt;/a&gt;

Where Serviced Offices provide privacy, Co-Working provides company.

I&#039;ll add a picture to the main text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more on the difference: <a href="http://eirepreneur.blogs.com/eirepreneur/2006/12/hotdesking_noma.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/eirepreneur.blogs.com');">see here</a></p>
<p>Where Serviced Offices provide privacy, Co-Working provides company.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add a picture to the main text.</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://cimota.com/blog/2008/06/30/co-working-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-22754</link>
		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aidan,
This was covered before - Regis and other serviced office companies do not offer co-working. They offer an office. My experience when touring Regis on two occasions was that it was filled with small offices containing one person who kept the door wedged open in the interest of trying to foster some human contact. It was crowded, poorly air-conditioned and at the same time, desperately lonely. And for those reasons I didn&#039;t take an office there (and instead went to Mallusk).

There is mileage in offering the Virtual office, of managing the phones, fax, storage (virtual as well as physical) but again this makes it into a business that needs a manager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aidan,<br />
This was covered before &#8211; Regis and other serviced office companies do not offer co-working. They offer an office. My experience when touring Regis on two occasions was that it was filled with small offices containing one person who kept the door wedged open in the interest of trying to foster some human contact. It was crowded, poorly air-conditioned and at the same time, desperately lonely. And for those reasons I didn&#8217;t take an office there (and instead went to Mallusk).</p>
<p>There is mileage in offering the Virtual office, of managing the phones, fax, storage (virtual as well as physical) but again this makes it into a business that needs a manager.</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan</title>
		<link>http://cimota.com/blog/2008/06/30/co-working-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-22753</link>
		<dc:creator>Aidan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like the model is very similar to that run by Regis and other virtual/instant office places, but with a couple of exceptions:

1) Overheads will be kept to a minimum for all parties
2) The raisons d&#039;etre are very different

However, in looking at the similarities between the models it brings to mind a secondary source of income with pure virtual offices: mailboxes, phone numbers, fax-to-email, etc. that have no or negligible square footage overhead.  Working with someone like The Company Shop could then feed leads back and forth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like the model is very similar to that run by Regis and other virtual/instant office places, but with a couple of exceptions:</p>
<p>1) Overheads will be kept to a minimum for all parties<br />
2) The raisons d&#8217;etre are very different</p>
<p>However, in looking at the similarities between the models it brings to mind a secondary source of income with pure virtual offices: mailboxes, phone numbers, fax-to-email, etc. that have no or negligible square footage overhead.  Working with someone like The Company Shop could then feed leads back and forth.</p>
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